From: Yutaka.Matsumoto@sun.co.jp (MATSUMOTO Yutaka - Sun JTC)
Real-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 94 22:10:23 JST
Subject: [infotalk,00951] FYI: FWD: SIGWEB April 19th @ SLAC
Message-Id: <9404131310.AA07975@katsu.Japan.Sun.COM>
www-talk を読んでらっしゃる方には、すいません。(_ _)
US の方もいらっしゃるようですので、いかれた方レポートよろしくなーんて。(^ ^;;)
-- taka@Japan.Sun.COM
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********** April SIGWEB Meeting Announcement ***********
The April SIGWEB meeting will be held at the Stanford Linear Accelerator
Center on April 19th, from 2pm till 5pm.
Featuring a panel discussion:
Desktop Interfaces to Information Sources on the Internet:
Perspectives from World Wide Web client interface developers.
Kevin Altis, Intel
- creator of the Proxy Server
Marc Andreessen, Enterprise Integration Technologies
- creator of Mosaic
Tony Johnson, Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
- creator of MidasWWW
Pei Wei, O'Reilly & Associates
- creator of violaWWW
Bebo White, Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
- moderator
A panel consisting of the creator's of leading WWW client technology
will discuss issues concerning desktop interfaces to Internet
information sources. The panelists will place their work into
perspective given their specific target user community and share some
of the insights gained during their individual efforts. Together, and
with audience participation, the panelists will attempt to shed light
on significant general themes pervading networked information
interface development. Open issues and future directions will also be
discussed.
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The afternoon's agenda will also include:
Welcome to Stanford Linear Accelerator Center and Overview of the
High Energy Physics Community's WWW/NIDR Activities
Les Cottrell - Networking Manager, Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
SIGWEB Business and Announcements -
Administrivia and Announcements of related events/activities.
Attendee Q/A, Birds of a Feather Sessions and Informal Discussions
While we didn't formally get to this phase of the March meeting,
we do plan to provide time and sign-up sheets for those interested.
SIGWEB Member Input Survey (on-going)
The SIGWEB volunteer corps has prepared a survey to collect
member input to aid develop of the SIGWEB organization and its
member services. Email and WWW-Forms versions are under
development.
Refreshments will be served.
Questions concerning this meeting may be directed either toward
Dave Lewis - meeting coordinator (drlewi1@pacbell.com, 510-823-2831) or
Chris McRae - SIGWEB President, (mcrae@ora.com).
-------------------------------------------------
SIGWEB April Meeting Time and Place
Date: Tuesday, April 19th
Time: 2:00 - 5:00 p.m.
Location:
Auditorium
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center (SLAC)
2575 Sand Hill Road, Menlo Park, CA
Directions to the meeting site:
SLAC is located adjacent to Menlo Park, west of the Stanford
University campus at 2575 Sand Hill Road, east of highway 280.
An area map is available at
<http://www.slac.stanford.edu/winters/pub/www/surroundings.gif>
for those arriving from highway 101 or from other Bay Area points.
The SigWeb meeting will be held in the SLAC Auditorium, the
large building directly opposite the laboratory entrance. Parking is
available opposite the SLAC Guard House or east of the Auditorium. The
attendant at the Guard House can give additional information regarding
parking and auditorium access. The SLAC auditorium is wheelchair
accessible.
---------------------------------------------------
SIGWEB is an organization started at the end of 1993 to facilitate
communication between practitioners of a field known generally as
Networked Information Delivery and Retrieval (NIDR) within the Bay
Area and surrounding region. Started by Chris McRae (now at O'Reilly
& Associates - mcrae@ora.com), SIGWEB has quickly expanded to include
participation by several hundred people at its monthly events. Past
events have included presentations by leaders in the development of
the World Wide Web and its client interfaces, Wide Area Information
Service (WAIS), Internet infrastructure, commercial applications of
the Internet (e.g. CommerceNet), and so on. All aspects of NIDR, from
technical details and software applications, through standards and
end-user applications are open topics of discussion. SIGWEB is an all
volunteer run group welcoming participation from all interested
individuals.
To join the SIGWEB electronic mail list, send a message to
sig-web-request@library.ucsf.edu
Include one line in the message body,
subscribe sig-web <your name>
From: miura@syrinx.ntt.jp (MIURA Fumiaki)
Real-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 18:13:43 +0900
Subject: [infotalk,00950] Re: What is "National Metacenter"
Message-Id: <9404130913.AA18949@amie.ntt.jp>
NTTの三浦です.
On Apr 13, 13:50, +0900, Jeff Smith wrote:
Subject: [infotalk,00946] Re: What is "National Metacenter"
アメリカ人でもわからない。
ついこのあいだ行ってきた人にも聞いてみたんですが, 全く気づかなかったそ
うです. 知らなくても生活できるものらしい.
On Apr 13, 14:40, +0900, Hiroaki IKEDA wrote:
Subject: [infotalk,00948] Re: What is "National Metacenter"
| 上の場合は"centerのcenter"という意味でしょうから
やっぱりそうですか.
| "計算機科学および計算機工学センターに関する米国情報センター(メタセンター)"
|
| 長くなりますね。
固有名詞だから何か決まったものがあるかと思ったんですが, あまり有名じゃ
ないみたいですね. アメリカ版電総研みたいなものかと想像したんですが.
もうちょっと考えます.
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From: Jeff Smith <sumisu@slab.ntt.jp>
Real-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 16:21:18 +0900
Subject: [infotalk,00949] [root@compuserve.com: CIS Information]
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To: sumisu@slab.ntt.jp
Subject: CIS Information
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: David Kishler or Debra Young
CompuServe Incorporated
614/538-4571 or 614/538-4553
COMPUSERVE EXTENDS INFORMATION SUPERHIGHWAY WITH
ENHANCED INTERNET ACCESS
COLUMBUS, Ohio, March 8, 1994 -- CompuServe Incorporated, the leading
worldwide provider of online information services to personal computer
users, today announced plans for a series of Internet-related
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Beginning in late March, CompuServe members will be able to access
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telnet protocol. Members may access using the CompuServe Information
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at 1200 or 2400 bits per second, and $9.60/hour at 9.6 or 14.4 kilobits per
second.
Through the rest of 1994, CompuServe will introduce access to a
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not Internet experts.
"CompuServe was a pioneer in providing an email link with the
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vice president of business information and electronic communications.
"There are many support and ease-of-use challenges associated with
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needs and interests of our wide variety of members."
CompuServe has also established an Internet Forum for members to
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For additional information or to join CompuServe, call 800/621-1253
(outside the U.S., call 614/529-1349) or send electronic mail to
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Established in 1979, CompuServe provides its worldwide membership
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In addition to the CompuServe Information Service, CompuServe
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major corporations and government agencies worldwide.
CompuServe is an H&R Block (NYSE:HRB) company.
# # #
Questions & Answers
Regarding CompuServe's Announcement Of Internet Services
March 15, 1994
CompuServe has recently announced availability of the Internet Forum, beta
test of a gateway from the Internet to the Information Service, and plans
to release additional Internet-related services during 1994. This document
contains the answers to the following questions about this announcement:
Q 1: Why is this announcement significant?
Q 2: What does the inbound gateway from Internet to the CompuServe Information
Service (CIS) mean to our members?
Q 3: Why would Internet users pay for access to CIS? Isn't information on
the Internet free?
Q 4: Can non-members learn about and subscribe to CIS through the Internet?
Q 5: Can customers in special markets, such as those served by CompuServe's
Business Services Group (BSG), use the new gateway from the Internet to
CIS?
Q 6: When will the inbound gateway from the Internet to CIS be available
for members? Can members help test the gateway now?
Q 7: When will CIS members be able to access Internet services like
newsgroups and FTP?
Q 8: At what speeds may members access CIS through the Internet?
Q 9: Can members download files from CIS through the inbound Internet gateway?
Q 10: Can CIM connect to CIS through the Internet?
Q 11: Is there any security risk associated with our connection to the
Internet?
**********************************************************************
Q 1: Why is this announcement significant?
A: This announcment constitutes CompuServe's first public announcement
specifically dealing with our Internet direction. This will enable
CompuServe to ride the strong wave of current media interest in the
Internet, and demonstrate that CompuServe is moving forward in addressing
new information technologies.
Q 2: What does the inbound gateway from Internet to CIS mean to our
members?
Our new gateway will provide many members more convenient and economical
access to CIS. Some members will gain access from work, such as those who
do not have a modem but instead are connected to the Internet. Some
members who are not close to a CompuServe network node will save long
distance telephone and supplemental network charges, which will be
especially beneficial from college campuses and overseas locations which
already have an Internet connection.
Q 3: Why would Internet users pay for access to CIS? Isn't information on
the Internet free?
A: The common misconception that the Internet is free arises from the fact
that often the connection is provided by employers and schools. In reality,
Internet connections are purchased from various access providers who charge
either a flat monthly fee or a fee based on usage. Once connected to the
Internet, there are also charges for many information services such as
Dialog and ClariNet. Of course, there are also many information sources on
the Internet which may be accessed without charge. However, the better
sources among those which are free are heavily visited and can be very
slow. Many Internet users will consider CompuServe's fees very reasonable
for access to the high quality, well organized information service which
has made CIS the worldwide leader.
**Rates for accessing CompuServe through telnet will be the same as
dial-up rates via the CompuServe network. CompuServe members pay $8.95
per month for unlimited connect-time access to more than 60 basic
services. Rates to access extended (hourly-priced) services are $4.80/hour
at 1200 or 2400 bits per second, and $9.60/hour at 9.6 or 14.4 kilobits per
second.
Q 4: Can non-members learn about and subscribe to CIS through the Internet?
A: Prospective members who connect to CompuServe.com are presented a menu of
informational articles about CompuServe, including instructions for
becoming a member. Upon request these articles are sent to the prospective
member via Internet email. Included is the Signup User ID and Password as
well as a special Serial Number and Agreement Number that allow Internet
users to instantly become CIS members. There is no initial usage credit
associated with these signups, and as usual, the initial password will be
valid only for a limited time until the permanent password is sent through
the mail.
Q 5: Can customers in special markets, such as those served by CompuServe's
Business Services Group (BSG), use the new gateway from the Internet to
CIS?
A: CompuServe's BSG customers who access services by logging into CIS will
gain all of the benefits being offered to CIS users. BSG customers who use
special customized services which are not based on CIS membership will not
be able to log on through the Internet gateway.
Q 6: When will the inbound gateway from the Internet to CIS be available
for members? Can members help test the gateway now?
A: We expect to complete testing and release the service by the end of
March. Interested members should watch the forums with particularly strong
Internet discussions (i.e. INETFORUM, TELECOM, VAX, UNIX, etc.) where we
will announce and request assistance with the final test phase.
Q 7: When will CIS members be able to access Internet services like
newsgroups and FTP?
A: We are not releasing any additional details about our plans for outbound
access from CIS to the Internet other than the statements in the news
release. Please watch What's New where we will announce services as they
become available.
Q 8: At what speeds may members access CIS through the Internet?
A: CompuServe's gateway from the Internet to CIS matches throughput to one
of our valid baud rates. At logon, the user specifies the desired rate,
which also determines the price charged for use of Extended Services or
under the Alternate Pricing Plan. Currently we allow access up to 9600 bps,
and plan to offer 14400 bps once we successfully handle enough production
traffic to prove the stability of the gateway under actual customer loading
conditions.
Q 9: Can members download files from CIS through the inbound Internet
gateway?
A: Files may be downloaded from CIS through the inbound Internet gateway.
However, before doing so, you should disable the telnet escape sequence. The
appropriate command depends on your telnet software, usually a configuration
option to disable the escape character. Many telnet implementations use
- -e "", so the command reads "telnet -e"" CompuServe.com". Contact your local
System Administrator to find out how to disable the escape character at your
site.
Whatever the command needed in your instance, this is required to establish an
8 bit data path. Another requirement for downloading files is software which
supports one of CompuServe's download protocols, such as B-protocol, X modem,
Y modem, or Z modem. Few versions of "telnet" currently have this support,
however, many users are able to connect using terminal emulation software like
CIM, PC3, or Procomm through their telnet connection.
Q 10: Can CIM connect to CIS through the Internet?
A: The initial release offers access in ASCII mode, and the next versions
of WinCIM and MacCIM will explicitly support Internet access. The currently
released versions of CIM can theoretically be configured for TCP/IP access
by using various operating system "tools" and "drivers" (Macintosh and
Windows, respectively). However, significant technical expertise is
required, and it may be impossible with some configurations. Until new
versions of MacCIM and WinCIM are released, we are publicly offering ASCII
service only. We are also collecting information from internal and external
testers which will be posted in the Internet forum to help answer questions
from the technically adventurous who wish to attempt access with current
versions.
Q 11: Is there any security risk associated with our connection to the
Internet?
A: CompuServe member accounts, as well as all internal development accounts
and machines, are secure from attack. Precautions have been taken to prevent
the possibility of a cracker breaking into CompuServe via any network,
including the Internet.
However, members who use the Internet to connect to CompuServe send their
password as part of the login activity. This information may be compromised
when it is routed across the interconnected networks that make up the
Internet. This is currently an issue being faced by similar technologies
such as cable, as well. CompuServe can not ensure that adequate security
precautions are implemented on any of these external nodes. Therefore, we
recommend even more frequent password changes for these members. With
release of the inbound connection from Internet to CIS, a higher portion of
our users will employ these less secure links. We warn them of the
additional security risk during their first connection from the Internet.
CompuServe realizes that allowing access to/from the Internet poses
additional risks. We are developing ways that sensitive information, such
as passwords and credit card numbers, may be encrypted or coded for
transmission cross the Internet. As always, CompuServe will continue to add
valuable additional services for our members to maintain and strengthen our
information service leadership.
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From: Hiroaki IKEDA <ikeda@hike.te.chiba-u.ac.jp>
Real-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 14:38:53 +0900
Subject: [infotalk,00948] Re: What is "National Metacenter"
Message-Id: <14650.766215533@hike1.hike.te.chiba-u.ac.jp>
千葉大学の池田です。
日本語訳をご苦労さまです。
>Date: Wed, 13 Apr 94 13:41:00 +0900
>Message-Id: <9404130440.AA17254@amie.ntt.jp>
>From: miura@syrinx.ntt.jp (MIURA Fumiaki)
>
> NTTの三浦と申します.
> 「National Metacenter」をどう訳したらいいかご教授下さい.
>
> <PRE>
> <DL>
> <DT> National Center for Supercomputing Applications
> <DD> NCSA is located on the campus of the University
> of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. NCSA is a one of
> four member institutions in the National Metacenter for
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Computational Science and Engineering.
> <DT> Cornell Theory Center
> <DD> CTC is located on the campus of Cornell
> University in Ithaca, New York. CTC is another member
> of the National Metacenter for Computational Science
> and Engineering.
> </DL>
> </PRE>
>
> となっています. よろしくお願いします.
Metaはメタ言語など片仮名で表記されている場合が多いですね。
上の場合は"centerのcenter"という意味でしょうから
"計算機科学および計算機工学センターに関する米国情報センター(メタセンター)"
長くなりますね。
From: Takahiro Kanbe <taka@nwt.fxis.fujixerox.co.jp>
Real-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 13:58:07 +0900
Subject: [infotalk,00947] Re: [Enquete] Multilingual Character Encoding for WWW
Message-Id: <199404130458.NAA08273@litra.nwt.fxis.fujixerox.co.jp>
(A) ISO2022ベースのものにする。
(A-1) 規格としては、例えばRFC1554のISO-2022-JP-2や、そこから日本語
に関する特殊事情を抜いて作られるはずの(?)ISO-2022-INT-1(仮名?)
とか。
も, いいんですが,
(A-2) せっかくの8 bit safeなんだから、8bit環境のコードにしようとか。
こちらの方が楽であれば7bitに拘るべきではないと思います.
ただ, JISの何年版とか, その間の比較の問題とかをどうするかですね.
> (E) 例えばHTMLの中に "<CODING ISO-2022-JP>ほげほげ</CODING>" という
> 記述を入れるようにするとか何とか、HTML内でなんとかする。
これは, 避けたい...気がします.
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From: Jeff Smith <sumisu@slab.ntt.jp>
Real-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 13:48:43 +0900
Subject: [infotalk,00946] Re: What is "National Metacenter"
Message-Id: <9404130448.AA07895@slab.ntt.jp>
>>>>> On Wed, 13 Apr 1994 13:41:00 JST, miura@syrinx.ntt.jp (MIURA Fumiaki) said:
MIURA> NTTの三浦と申します. 「National Metacenter」をどう訳したらいい
MIURA> かご教授下さい.
MIURA> http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/General/Internet/WWW/HTMLPrimer.html
MIURA> の, 日本語への超訳が(多数ある細部の問題を除いて)ほとんどできた
MIURA> んですが, 「National Metacenter」がわからないんです. 原文は,
It doesn't have any meaning (per se) in English - must be some
project.
アメリカ人でもわからない。
Jeffrey D. Smith ジェフリー・スミス
TEL +81 422 59 2863 e-mail: sumisu@slab.ntt.jp
FAX +81 422 59 2699
Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation
Software Research Labs
Musashino, JAPAN
From: miura@syrinx.ntt.jp (MIURA Fumiaki)
Real-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 13:40:09 +0900
Subject: [infotalk,00945] What is "National Metacenter"
Message-Id: <9404130440.AA17254@amie.ntt.jp>
NTTの三浦と申します.
「National Metacenter」をどう訳したらいいかご教授下さい.
http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/General/Internet/WWW/HTMLPrimer.html
の, 日本語への超訳が(多数ある細部の問題を除いて)ほとんどできたんですが,
「National Metacenter」がわからないんです.
原文は,
<PRE>
<DL>
<DT> National Center for Supercomputing Applications
<DD> NCSA is located on the campus of the University
of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. NCSA is a one of
four member institutions in the National Metacenter for
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Computational Science and Engineering.
<DT> Cornell Theory Center
<DD> CTC is located on the campus of Cornell
University in Ithaca, New York. CTC is another member
of the National Metacenter for Computational Science
and Engineering.
</DL>
</PRE>
となっています. よろしくお願いします.
# NTTのごく限られた人は
# http://129.60.70.82/person/miura/how2html/ncsa-j.html
# で(今の所)アクセスできます.
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