Real-Writer: Hiroshi "Gitchang" Okuno <okuno@enterprise.mtl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp>
Real-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 22:26:15 JST
Subject: [infotalk,00081] Re: Japanization of WWW
Message-Id: <CMM.0.90.0.732201975.okuno@goya.mtl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp>
> こんにちは、高田です。
>
> ちょっとお聞きしたいんですが、奥乃さん、以前 WWW を EUC が通るよう改造さ
> れましたよね？
>
> (奥乃さんが参加される前の) infotalk-ML で、私が、「WWW はうちの研究所の
> 人が日本語通るように改造してましたけど」と言ったところ、それに興味を示す
> 人が何人かいまして、その件について聞くように頼まれていたのでした(忘れて
> いました)。
>
> ということで、
>
> ・どこをどう直したのか？
> ・patch の形式で、欲しいという人に分けることが可能か？
>
> 等々を、もしよろしければ infotalk の方へ書いて頂けると嬉しいのですが。
呼ばれましたので出てきました. 奥乃%東大@NTT基礎研です.
EUCコードを読むには何も変更する必要がありません.
JISコードの場合には, エスケープシークエンス分だけ文字数が増し,
html のvt100 エミュレータが勝手に改行してくれるので, はぎゃはぎゃの
出力となってしまいます. どなたかこの部分を改造されませんか.
といことで, 私は何もしていません. html ファイルのEUC版とJIS版を
作っただけです. 終りに, default.html のサンプルを付けておきます.
日本国憲法もありますので, これは, 高田君がメールサーバをインストール
されたら, 置いておきます.
- Gitchang -
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奥乃 博 Hiroshi "Gitchang" Okuno
東京大学工学部電子工学科 Fujitsu Chair of Intelligence Engineering
知能工学 (富土通) 寄付講座 Dept. of EE, Faculty of Eng., Univ. of Tokyo
TEL (03) 3812-2111 ext 7424 FAX (03) 5800-6922
工学部13号館301号室 E-Mail: okuno@mtl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp
/ NTT基礎研究所情報科学研究部 / NTT Basic Research Laboratories
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<DT><A name=7 href=http://iicm.tu-graz.ac.at.:80/ROOT>Hyper-G</a>
<DD>WWW gateway to the Graz Technical University Hyper-G database.
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<DD>An index to a cross-referenced set of hacker terms. A demonstration
of the WWW gateway to the Graz Technical University Hyper-G database.
<DT><A name=hut href=http://otax.tky.hut.fi/tky/default.html>Helsinki</a>
<DD>Helsinki Technical University information service (Mostly Finnish).
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<DD>The High Energy Physics preprint index at Stanford Linear Accelerator, California.
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Include the word "FIND" as the first keyword, eg: K FIND AUTHOR FRED.).
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Real-Writer: TAKADA Toshihiro (高田敏弘) <takada@seraph.NTT.JP>
Real-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 20:22:25 +0900
Subject: [infotalk,00080] Re: hunt
Message-Id: <9303151122.AA02230@seraph.ntt.jp>
たかだです。
津森＠シャープ(tsumori@shpcsl.sharp.co.jp)さん
> です。現在 wais について調べはじめたところで, とりあえず
> local server をあげてみようと思っているところです。
> wais が片付いた後は, gopher, WWW と思ってはいるのですが ...
が新しく参加されました。よろしくお願いします。
さて、
--------
In <infotalk:00072> "morita <morita@isct.kyutech.ac.jp>"-san writes:
> ||> ところで、ニュースのalt.internet.servicesに毎月投稿されている
> ||> INTERNET HUNT という記事をご存知でしょうか？
これ、面白いですね(暇な人もいるもんだ、というか ^_^;)。
gopher://gopher.cic.net:70/00/hunt
Name=The Internet Hunt
Type=1
Port=70
Path=1/hunt
Host=gopher.cic.net
の下に 1992/{9,10,11,12}, 1993/{1,2(,3)} が置いてあったので、
ちょっと覗いてみました。
これを見ると、ちょっとは土地勘が養われる...かもしれない(嘘かもしれない)。
========================================================================
ＮＴＴ基礎研究所 情報科学研究部 高田敏弘
分散コンピューティング原理研究グループ takada@nttlab.ntt.JP
========================================================================
Real-Writer: TAKADA Toshihiro (高田敏弘) <takada@seraph.NTT.JP>
Real-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 13:35:51 +0900
Subject: [infotalk,00079] Re: new members
Message-Id: <9303150435.AA27510@seraph.ntt.jp>
たかだです。
みんみん@アステック(minmin@astec.co.jp)さん、が新たに参加されました。
よろしくお願いします。
--------
In <infotalk:00077> "Masahiro Morita <hiro@jaist-east.ac.jp>"-san writes:
> みなさんはじめまして、北陸先端大の森田です。
はじめまして。よろしくお願いします。
> そこで、これまでこの ML での話題について簡単に教えてもらいたいのですが、
> どなたかよろしくお願いします。
早速井戸端会議のまとめを作らなくてはいけない！ 確かにこれは難しい。(^_^;
＃ 失礼しました、森田さんには何のことやら分からないですね。
--------
大体今までの話題としては、
・新しく加わった人の自己紹介、自分のスタンス、考えていることの紹介
・mail, news, IRC などの情報の洪水にいかに対処するかについての話
(「情報の洪水」から何らかのまとめを作る方法はないか？
まとめを作るのは諦めて、洪水の中の泳ぎ方を支援するという立場もあるのでは？
infosystemはそれらの助けになるのか？ ...という類いの話)
・IRCのツールとしての使い方
・WAISを自分に来たメール等の検索ツールとして利用できるか？
・WAIS等の日本語化は誰かやっているか？ どうやればよいか？
・infosystemとCSCWの関係 (Information Lens, Object Lens 等の話)
・自分の気に入った(気に入らない) client software の話
くらいでしょうか。
--------
私のところに来た参加申込みのメールを見ると、不思議なことに、ほとんど全員
に近い方が、「興味はあるのですが、何も知りません」みたいなことを書いてい
らっしゃるんですよね、これが(^_^)。
思うに、みんな大量のメールやニュースに埋もれて溺れそうになっていて、そん
な中で WAIS とか gopher とかが「救世主」になってくれそうな噂を聞いたんだ
けれども... やっぱりよく分からない... というのが多いのではないでしょう
か。 infosystem が救世主になるかというと、個人的には、まだまだ「？」とい
う気が多分にします(archieとかは本当に役に立つと思うけど)。
ですからこのＭＬでも、かっちりとまとまった話がされることは余り期待して
いません。(^_^;
・××というクライアントは使いやすいぞ。
・××のサーバーにはこんな情報がのっているぞ。
・××を探してるんだけど、どこにあるか知ってる？
・こんなことで困ってるんだけど、何か解決方法はないか？
・サーバーを立ち上げようとしてるんだけど、ここでハマってる。助けて！
・××(ソフト)にこんな機能入れたいんだけど、ひょっとして既にあったりする？
・××(ソフト)を日本語化したいんだけど、どうしたらよいでしょう？
・ ...
などなど、お気軽にＭＬをお使い下さい。
あと手が空いたら、このＭＬのバックナンバーや関連ドキュメント等の、メール
による返送サービスも始めたいと思います。もう１、２週間ほどお待ち下さい。
という訳で、では。
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ＮＴＴ基礎研究所 情報科学研究部 高田敏弘
分散コンピューティング原理研究グループ takada@nttlab.ntt.JP
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Real-Writer: TAKADA Toshihiro (高田敏弘) <takada@seraph.NTT.JP>
Real-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 12:52:34 +0900
Subject: [infotalk,00078] Re: Unification
Message-Id: <9303150352.AA27107@seraph.ntt.jp>
たかだです。
In <infotalk:00067> "yamah@nttbss.NTT.JP (Hiroyuki YAMASHITA)"-san writes:
> Gopherを使っていて思うのですが、
> 各サーバのディレクトリ構造とメニューの用語とは、統一できないものでしょう
> か？
そうですよねぇ、あれはある程度「土地勘」がないとどうにもなりませんからね。
そもそも Veronica(*) なんていうものが作られること自体、「何か間違ってる」
という気がするのは私だけでしょうか...
> そういう処理を、セマンティクスサーバとか情報ナビゲータとかにやらせるように
> してあれば、私としては大いに助かるのですが。
Voronica は gopher のメニューの全タイトルを平らな構造としてサーチするだ
けですが、せめて、メニューの参照を含めた構造(webと言うのかな)をナビゲイ
トしてくれると、もうちょっと何とかなるような気もするのですが。
＃ 何言いたいかよく分からない文章ですね、これ... (_o_)
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(*) veronica: Very Easy Rodent-Oriented Net-wide Index to
Computerized Archives.
veronica offers a keyword search of most gopher-server menus
in the entire gopher web. As archie is to ftp archives,
veronica is to gopherspace. A veronica search produces a menu of
gopher items, each of which is a direct pointer to a gopher data source.
Because veronica is accessed through a gopher client, it is easy to use,
and gives access to all types of data supported by the gopher
protocol.
--------
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ＮＴＴ基礎研究所 情報科学研究部 高田敏弘
分散コンピューティング原理研究グループ takada@nttlab.ntt.JP
========================================================================
Real-Writer: Masahiro Morita <hiro@jaist-east.ac.jp>
Real-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 12:33:15 JST
Subject: [infotalk,00077] Re: new members
Message-Id: <9303150333.AA05854@nis.jaist-east.ac.jp>
みなさんはじめまして、北陸先端大の森田です。
> > ちょうど私も興味を持っている分野でもあり、是非参加させてほしいと思います。
> > 現在、情報フィルタリングや情報検索などのシステムに関心を持っており、でき
> > れば修士研究としてその方面の研究を行ないたいと思っています。
ということで、新らしく ML に加わりました。
そこで、これまでこの ML での話題について簡単に教えてもらいたいのですが、
どなたかよろしくお願いします。
―― hiro@jaist-east.ac.jp
Real-Writer: morita <morita@isct.kyutech.ac.jp>
Real-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 12:27:55 +0900
Subject: [infotalk,00076] Re: hunt
Message-Id: <9303150327.AA18479@sarakura.isct.kyutech.ac.jp>
九州工業大学の守田です。
THE INTERNET HUNT for January, 1993
の結果です。ちょっと長い(約1000行)ですよ。
九州工業大学 工学部
もうすぐ、電気工学研究科 M1 守田 智己
E-mail morita@isct.kyutech.ac.jp
================
From: lb05gate@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Rick Gates)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: January Hunt Results
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:25:36 GMT
***********************************************************
* *
* Results of the January, 1993 *
* *
* INTERNET HUNT *
* *
* (long message: about 1,000 lines) *
* *
***********************************************************
This month we have winners in the individual and team
categories.
The individual winner is:
John Berens
University Librarian
Olson Library
Northern Michigan University
Marquette, MI 49855
John scored a perfect 43 out of 43 possible points in an entry
dated: Sat, 09 Jan 93 21:29:08 EST
And the team winners are:
The Panix.Hunt Team
Panix Public Unix Access of New York
New York, New York.
The Panix.Hunt Team scored 42 out of 43 points in an entry
dated: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:02:19 -0500 (EST)
Congratulations to all the winners!
Note to the Players
-------------------
Thanks to you all for giving us such a good demonstration of
how it's done. For those of you requesting your individual
scores, they're done, but I'm leaving for Denver tonight. I
will mail them to you on Wed night (1/27).
Statistics
----------
Total entries: 18
Total individual entries: 15
Total team entries: 3
My Comments about this Hunt
---------------------------
1.There were some tricky moments for me in this Hunt. I set
myself up for some tough questions that I'm still tracking
down. If anyone can provide more illumination on why Giovanni
De Poli's appears to have 5 email addresses, or the Toyota
question, fire me off a message and I'll summarize.
2.It's becoming more difficult to grade certain types of
responses. Some players used a local Turbo gopher client to
connect to their home gopher server. This made it tough to
retrace as I don't know where their home gopher is. While I
could manage it (because I know the answers!), it may be
difficult for others to follow their searches.
What I'm thinking of doing next month is asking players to
double check that they are including the hostname and port for
their home gopher server so that others can follow in their
footsteps.
3. Since I've included all the answers for both classes of
winners, and I really want to include other good answers, the
size of this document is getting out of hand. What I think
I'll do from now on, is just pick out a few answers for each
question that are good, or clever, or illuminate some little
known method for wrestling with the dreaded Net-Beast! :-)
Very Inventive Veronica
-----------------------
Veronica now has boolean searching capabilities. Precedence is
left-to-right, with no nesting operators. It is
case-independent. When you access Veronica read the About file
for explanations.
When I tried it, a search on
christmas
...yielded 90 entries, and a search on
christmas and tree
...yielded 33 entries, and they looked right.
Thanks to D.G. Gilbert, and the folks at U.N. Reno for the
extra functionality.
Another Home for the Hunt
-------------------------
Many thanks to the folks at CICNet as they have provided me
with a Gopher for Hunt distribution. Now, rather than having
to wait for mail and usnet messages to percolate to them,
players can grab the Hunt questions mere seconds after I make
them available.
The CICNet gopher is available on that long list of US
gophers. If you prefer to point your users directly to it (my
preference, certainly), here are the details:
Name=The Internet Hunt
Type=1
Port=70
Path=1/hunt
Host=gopher.cic.net
Note: It looks like the Hunt is not accessible via Veronica yet.
So now, without further delay, here are:
The Hunt Answers
================================================================
1. (5) How does one say "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year" in
Czech?
Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
Answer: Prejeme Vam Vesele Vanoce a stastny Novy Rok.
Search strategy:
telnet panda.uiowa.edu
4. Online Information Services...
12. Veronica (search menu items in most of GopherSpace...
2. Search many (300) Internet gopher menus by SINGLE keyword <?>
index word: holiday
130. holiday-greetings
Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
>telnet scilibx.ucsc.edu \ or, of course, use a gopher client
>login: gopher / directly
>choice 9, The World
>choice 1, Other Internet Gopher Servers
>choice 8, Veronica search of much of GopherSpace
>choice 2, Search ...
Index word...: christmas
choose article 140. Merry-Christmas.
For those who are interested "Merry Christmas & Happy New Year"
in Czech is the following:
Prejeme Vam Vesele Vanoce a stastny Novy Rok
Other Answers
-------------
What's interesting is I had searched veronica on all key
words except merry.... I tried merry and got a hit... why
didn't christmas work? It does now!!!
TurboGopher
Home Gopher Server
Other Gopher and Information Servers
Search Gopherspace using veronica
Search on keyword Merry
produces a file called Merry Christmas which contains
>From soc.roots Thu Dec 19 08:54:02 1991
MERRY X'MAS (or equivalent) AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR - in many
languages!
Czech Prejeme Vam Vesele Vanoce a stastny Novy Rok
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2. (6) Is the Toyota Motor Corporation connected to the Internet?
Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
Answer: The Toyota Motor Corporation, Communication Technology
Department, CIS Planning Division, has four Internet addresses:
NET-T1: 161.93.0.0
NET-T2: 161.94.0.0
NET-T3: 161.95.0.0
NET-T4: 161.96.0.0
Search strategy:
telnet nic.ddn.mil
@: whois
whois: toyota
Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
ANSWER (reynolds): Telnet to nic.ddn.mil
(panix) % whois toyota
TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM1) TOYOTA-COM1 161.93.0.0
TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM2) TOYOTA-COM2 161.94.0.0
TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM3) TOYOTA-COM3 161.95.0.0
TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM4) TOYOTA-COM4 161.96.0.0
Toyota College of Technology
(NET-TOYOTA-CTNET) TOYOTA-CTNET 133.85.0.0
Toyota Technological Institute (NET-TOYOTA-TI)
TOYOTA-TI 133.21.0.0
Toyota, Yasuo
(YT11) apaj-imo-o@ZAMA-EMH1.ARMY.MIL (DSN)
233-5821
To single out one record, look it up with "!xxx", where xxx
is the handle, shown in parenthesis following the name,
which comes first.
Other Answers
-------------
The strict answer is no (no IP connection). The users answer is: yes,
you can send mail to them. I found no references in the usual databases
(nic.ddn.mil etc) but there is a domain called toyota.co.jp belonging to
the Toyota Motor Corporation. It can be found by telnetting to
nnsc.nsf.net (Q10), logging in as wais and selecting the uumap.src
database. Then you can search for toyota.
(Short answer: use the wais source uumap.src to search for toyota ;-)
-----
1. telnet archie.au
2. login: netfind
3. Seed database lookup
4. Seed database search
5. Keys (blank to exit): toyota
The answer is
fk.toyota.co.jp toyota motor corporation, japan
toyota.co.jp toyota motor corporation, aichi, japan, japan
tytlabs.co.jp toyota central research and development
laboratories, inc, japan
-----
Telnet 134.82.11.4 185 to Knowbot white pages and enter "Toyota."
Results:
Name: TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
PLANNING DIV.
Phone: 161.93.0.0
E-Mail: TOYOTA-COM1
Source: whois@nic.ddn.mil
Ident: NET-TOYOTA-COM1
Last updated: (unknown)
[Rick: other entries omitted as they are listed above...]
[etc....] Answer: Yep!
-----
telnet to quake.think.com (WAIS), login as wais
select "domain-organizations"
search for "Toyota"
This produces (if we ignore one unusable result) the following
<D>omain/<O>rganization/<H>ost information:
%D fk.toyota.co.jp
%O toyota motor corporation, japan
%H tmclab
%D toyota.co.jp
%O toyota motor corporation, aichi, japan, japan
%H qe
%D tytlabs.co.jp
%O toyota central research and development laboratories, inc, japan
%H milab elmlab iclab robotics
[Rick:The question on Toyota was tricky as some leads indicated
that they were not directly connected to the Internet. What I
was looking for was not a particular type of connectivity, but
reachability via some method. This is the kind of simplistic
question that reference librarians get all the time.]
================================================================
3. (3) Hi! I have a new account on a unix machine here, and I
HATE the editor I have for my mail. It's called vi. So I
found another editor that I can use called emacs. Emacs is
supposed to be customizable, but I've managed to screw things
up a little. Can you tell me where I can get some advice from
more experienced emacs users?
Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
Answer: there are 27 internet/bitnet/LISTSERV interest
groups that cover emacs. Two of the broadest are
emacs@bnadp11.bitnet and emacs@tcsvm.bitnet. You can post
questions about emacs to these and other lists and
experienced users will respond.
Search strategy:
telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
9. The World/
1. Other Internet Gopher Servers/
8. Veronica Search of much of GopherSpace/
2. Search many (300) Internet Gopher menus by Single keyword <?>
index word: listserv
36. Search the list of internet/bitnet/LISTSERV interest
groups <?> index word: emacs
Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
ANSWER (simona, reynolds): These are the various emacs
newsgroups. My guess is the first one.
** gnu.emacs.help: 1-6709
comp.emacs: 1-6486
gnu.emacs.announce: 1-50
gnu.emacs.bug: 1-2838
gnu.emacs.gnews:1-79
gnu.emacs.gnus: 1-1950
gnu.emacs.sources: 1-1072
gnu.emacs.vm.bug: 1-1113
gnu.emacs.vm.info: 1-680
gnu.emacs.vms: 1-184
(jhawk) Will you get more credit if you detail where this
information came from? If so, you can say ``grep emacs
/usr/lib/news/active'' or something. A better answer might
be to ftp the active file from ftp.uu.net (that's the most
authoritative one around) and grep through that.
>** gnu.emacs.help: 1-6709
>comp.emacs: 1-6486
Note that the 2 of these are slightly different but largely
overlapping. comp.emacs might be a better choice as the
question doesn't actually specify GNU emacs.
Other Answers
-------------
While running GNU-emacs, press C-h C-d to view the DISTRIB
document supplied with GNU-emacs. This document lists the
host site for GNU-emacs as prep.ai.mit.edu.
FTP to prep.ai.mit.edu and GET file MAILINGLISTS from
directory /pub/gnu/gnuinfo. This document lists a USENET
newsgroup, gnu.emacs.help, that is available for receiving
help on general and specific questions about using emacs. It
also states that a one-way gate is provided in USENET
newsgroup
================================================================
4. (5) Can you get AIDS from kissing?
Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
Answer. Some sexual activities are safer than others.
Practicing safe sex really means changing your sexual
lifestyle in a number of ways. Hugging, massaging, and
mutual masturbation are absolutely safe. French kissing,
oral sex without climaxing, and intercourse with both a
condom and spermicide (not foams) are reasonably safe. Any
sex in which there is bleeding, intercourse without a
condom, and bodily fluids in your mouth, or sharing objects
used in sexual stimulation are unsafe.
Search strategy:
telnet debra.dgbt.doc.ca
login: chat
select an information file: aids
ask a question: can you get AIDS from kissing?
Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
ANSWER (clay): telnet to debra.dgbt.doc.ca
login as "chat"
select the AIDS database -- This is the dialog:
Type a Question or Press ENTER to browse:
Aids from kissing?
[Rick: I won't bother including the same text again...]
================================================================
5. (3) I read in an electronic journal somewhere that a conference
was help in Padova, Italy on models of musical signals. I
wrote down the name of a contact, 'Giovanni De Poli'. Can you
find his email address for me?
Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
Answer: the address is depoli@sabrina.dei.unipd.it
Search strategy:
telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
9. The World/
7. Worldwide Internet Phone & Address Directories/
4. Internet-wide e-mail address searches/
2. NetFind server at AARNet (Melbourne, Australia) <tel>
2. Search
enter person and keys: poli padova
select domains 3 4 5
Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
ANSWER: We found two email addresses for him. See below.
(tovah): telnet mudhoney.micro.umn.edu (or any other netfind
site) (OK, OK, to be honest, I just went thru InfoSlug
again, using choices: 9,7,4,7)
login: netfind
choose "2. Search"
Enter person and keys.... --> poli padova italy
(Then narrow down your choice of domains: I used 6 5 3)
Answer: depoli@sabrina.dei.unipd.it
(I originally tried "giovanni" instead of "poli" but: (a) I
had forgotten that Giovanni is just Italian for John and got
back lots and lots of answers; and (b) the target guy wasn't
included anyhow, because he's listed as "Gianni De Poli".)
(rryan): The email address of Giovanni Di Poli is
"depoli@giulia.dei.unipd.it". I got this by sending the
command "send usenet-addresses/giovanni" (as the text of a
mail message) to "mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu"
Other Answers
-------------
[Rick: The following looks like the best answer.]
Telnet to sun.uakom.cs (yes, the Czech one), log in as
netfind and search for 'poli padova italy'. Select the
unipd.it domain (just one of the six choices you get) and
wait a while. Netfind gives you the most probable address of
someone called Gianni de Poli (short for Giovanni ?):
SYSTEM: sabrina.dei.unipd.it
Login name: depoli
In real life: Gianni De Poli
Directory: /users/noi/depoli
Never logged in.
No Plan.
SUMMARY:
The most promising email address for "poli"
based on the above search is
depoli@sabrina.dei.unipd.it.
There's a catch however: this address hasn't been used yet
(and will not be used ever given the noi (no interactive?)
clue). Normally one would drop the sabrina part and use the
address depoli@dei.unipd.it.
A small investigation revealed that mail for
depoli@dei.unipd.it is delivered to a machine called paola
(allthough netfind tells you that it goes to sabrina!) and
the command finger depoli@paola.dei.unipd.it reveales:
[paola.dei.unipd.it]
User Real Name What Idle TTY Host Console Location
depoli Giovanni De Poli 7:31 *co giulia.d console
So (with a little guessing) the real answer is:
depoli@dei.unipd.it (In general one should be suspicious
about addresses with 'hostnames' in it. I normally always
drop machine specific parts in mail addresses and let the
network find the best delivery method unless I have hard
evidence (in case of your own address ;-) that the machine
part should be specified. Netfind isn't hard evidence !)
-----
1. telnet archie.au
2. login: netfind
3. Search
Enter person and keys (blank to exit) --> depoli Padova Italy
There are too many domains in the list.
Please select at most 3 of the following:
0. anna.dei.unipd.it (d.e.i. universita' di padova, italy)
1. astrpd.astro.it (astronet, vicolo dell'osservatorio, padova,italy)
2. bio.unipd.it (biology department, universita' di padova,italy)
3. dei.unipd.it (universita' di padova, italy)
4. ipdunivx.unipd.it (universita' di padova, centro calcolo diateneo, d
ell'universita' di padova, v. s.francesco, padova, italy)
5. necsy.it (necsy s.p.a, padova, italy)
6. unipd.it (universita' di padova, italy)
Enter selection (e.g., 3 1 2) --> 6
MAIL FOR Giovanni De Poli IS FORWARDED TO
depoli@anna.dei.unipd.it
4. finger depoli@anna.dei.unipd.it
[anna.dei.unipd.it]
User Real Name What Idle TTY Host Console Location
depoli Giovanni De Poli 14:46 *co giulia.d console
[Rick: This was a tough nut for me to crack. I still haven't
finished it yet. It seems there is more than one way to reach
Giovanni. To try to settle the matter, I sent a mail message
to Giovanni at both sabrina and anna, and received the
following message which doesn't exactly clear things up. Note
the From: line in the header.]
From: depoli@paola.dei.unipd.it (Giovanni De Poli)
To: lb05gate%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.edu
Subject: Re: Question from the Internet Hunt
Yes, I am Giovanni De Poli. My best E-mail address is
depoli@dei.unipd.it
================================================================
6. (2) What is the primary religion in Somalia?
Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
Answer: almost entirely Sunni Muslim.
Search Strategy:
telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
7. The Researcher/
4. Social Sciences/
4. CIA World Factbook <?>
index word: somalia
3. Somalia
Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
ANSWER (simona): gopher scilibx.ucsc.edu 70
choice 6, Library
choice 6, Electronic Reference Books
choice 2, CIA World Factbook 1991
choice 2, Search CIA World Factbook 1991
choice 2, Somalia
Under the heading of Religion: Sunni Muslim
COMMENT (clay): I used the Panix gopher!
Other Answers
-------------
1. telnet quake.think.com
2. login: wais
3. goto 351: [ cmns-moon.think.com] world-factbook
4. search for somalia
The answer is
Religion: almost entirely Sunni Muslim
-----
! Used the Univ. of Minnesota Gopher.
! Selected Electronic Books and performed a keyword search
! on SOMALIA
! Presented me with World Facts Book entry for Somalia.
! Full Gopher technical entry listed below
Name=Somalia /Gutenberg/factbook/S/
Type=0
Port=70
Path=R0-8684-/Gutenberg/factbook/S/Somalia
Host=joeboy.micro.umn.edu
================================================================
7. (4) I understand that the Net is being put to use
distributing information and pictures of missing children.
Where can I find out more, and where can I find the pictures?
Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
Answer: missing child GIFs are available through FidoNet.
On the Internet, they can be ftp'd from halcynom.com. More
information can be obtained from Marv Cotton, the Heidi
Search Center, 2402 Pat Booker Rd., Universal City, TX
78148-3210, email: marv.cotton@fquest.fidonet.org.
Search strategy:
telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
9. The World/
2. Other Internet Systems and Databases/
8. Search FTP Sites (Archie)/
1. Exact search of Archive sites on the Internet <?>
index word: alt.missing-kids
2. cs.dal.ca:/pub/comp.archives/alt.missing-kids
Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
ANSWER (des): The news-group "alt.missing-kids" is the place
to look. The "official" site for the gifs (they have
hundreds) is "halcyon.com". The gifs (and related files)
are in "pub/alt.missing-kids.gifs".
anonymous ftp to halcyon.com
cd pub/alt.missing-kids.gif
Other Answers
-------------
On the French EMBnet gopher there is a directory for all
newsgroups. I found a group called alt/missing-kids. Using
this as a keyword for archie I got this menu:
Internet Gopher Information Client v1.1
cs.dal.ca:/pub/comp.archives/alt.missing-kids/
--> 1. missing-child-gifs.
This file contains the following:
I would like to remind everyone that the Missing Child GIFs
are available through the FIDO Filebone, also distribution
can be made by Freqing and returning the REQUEST.ZIP form
from 387/622, 2612/107, 384/3 or 343/34.
INTERNET: The GIFs are available for FTP from Halcyon.COM
or Fquest.
RIME: The GIFs are available through Russell Coombs.
GT or other Nets please get in touch with me to ensure the
GIFs are
available to you.
-----
[Rick: The following didn't get full points, but it seems
like valuable information for those interested in pursuing
this topic.]
! Used Veronica to keyword search on Children and
! Found a listing and Missing Children, this is all that
! I located pertaining to a database being planned.
This item moved over AppleLink 6-Feb-92, 23:20PST.
SCHENECTADY, NY - Computer Users for Social
Responsibility, Inc.
CUSR is also negotiating with a major online service to
host a Child Find Forum online which will act as an
educational and distribution center on the issue of missing
children. More than 75 million Americans own a personal
computer and 25% of those have access to a modem which
allows them to engage in online communcations, Rittner said.
To contact Don Rittner from the INTERNET:
drittner@uacs1.albany.edu
OR
UG0194@AppleLink.Apple.COM
OR home 518 374-1088
snail mail is 1726 Lenox Rd., Schenectady, NY 12308"
================================================================
8. (4) Where can I find tables listing the nutritive values of
different foods?
Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
Answer: the tables are in the USDA Nutrient Data BAse for
Standard Reference, Release 10--Nutrient Data from
Agricultural Handbook No. 8. There are more than 20 files
of data.
Search strategy:
telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
9. The World/
1. Other Internet Gopher Servers/
8. Veronica Search of much of GopherSpace/
2. Search many (300) Internet gopher servers by Single
keyword <?> index word: nutrition
1. Nutrition Information/
1. Nutrient Data/
2. Data/
2. SR10/
Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
ANSWER (tovah, mintak): anonymous ftp to info.umd.edu
cd info/Goverment/US/NutrientData/Data/SR10
The files that exist here are the raw data in computer format.
cd info/Government/US/NutrientData/Bulletins
datalist -- contains ordering information of database information
datadesc -- contains file format of data
filedesc -- contains file descriptions of the files.
Note: The data in the SR10 is split up among many files. You have to
read filedesc to figure which file goes with what.
Other Answers
-------------
Telnet University of Minnesota gopher:
consultant.micro.umn.edu. Select 9 (other), 2 (search
Veronica) and search "nutrition". Select 1 (nutrition
information), 1 (nutrient data), 2 (data), 1 (other), 4
(hg72.doc), 3 (hg72.dat). It was necessary to look at the
Readme files in the final selection options before making
the correct choice.
[Rick: I checked, and the data in all of these files is stored
in ascii comma delimited format, a format readable by most
database managers and spreadsheets.)
================================================================
9. (3) What is the text of the 1st Amendment to the
Constitution of the United States?
Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
Answer: Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise
thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the
press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and
to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Search strategy:
telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
6. The Library/
3. Electronic Books and Other Texts/
15. Historical Documents/
1. Amendments
Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
ANSWER (simona): anonymous ftp to ftp.eff.org
cd /pub/academic/civics
file is called constitution.us
COMMENT (reynolds): ftp to either ftp.uu.net (in docs I
think), or one of the ftp sites at utoronto.edu
[Rick: 1 point off for not giving me the text.]
================================================================
10. (5) You know, I've gotten a lot of good network information by
FTPing files from nnsc.nsf.net. What kind of computer and operating
system is nnsc.nsf.net?
Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
Answer: SUN-3/280 running UNIX.
Search strategy:
telnet nic.ddn.mil
@ whois
whois: host nnsc.nsf.net
Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
ANSWER (des):
% whois nnsc.nsf.net
NSFNet (CIC2)
Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc.
10 Moulton Street
Cambridge, MA 02138
Hostname: NNSC.NSF.NET
Nicknames: NIC.NNSC.NSF.NET
Address: 128.89.1.178
>>>>> System: SUN-3/280 running UNIX
Coordinator:
Mills, Cynthia G. (CGM6) cmills@BBN.COM
(617) 873-4143
domain server
NSFNET End-User Support
Record last updated on 26-Mar-92.
To see this host record with registered users, repeat the
command with a star ('*') before the name; or, use '%' to
show JUST the registered users.
%
HINT (reynolds): The hosts file at nic.ddn.mil might have
this information.
(nina): nslookup will do this, but I don't have the syntax
handy right now.
Other Answers
-------------
[Rick: I think the following is the best answer]
Answer: SUN-3/280 running SunOS release 4.1.1
First TELNET NIC.DDN.MIL or 192.112.36.5
@WHOIS
Whois: NNSC.NSF.NET
! Lets see what the official NIC entry about NNSC.NSF.NET
! says. Extra info provided such as who to contact with
! questions.
NSFNet (CIC2)
Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc.
10 Moulton Street
Cambridge, MA 02138
Hostname: NNSC.NSF.NET
Nicknames: NIC.NNSC.NSF.NET
Address: 128.89.1.178
! Next line is simple blurb about computer system and
! operating system
System: SUN-3/280 running UNIX
Coordinator:
Mills, Cynthia G. (CGM6) cmills@BBN.COM
(617) 873-4143
domain server
NSFNET End-User Support
Record last updated on 26-Mar-92.
! Last update 26-Mar-92? Let us check to see if we got all
! the info, let's connect through TELNET and check a few more
! details.
Telnet NNSC.NSF.NET or 128.89.1.178 and you get:
SunOS UNIX (nnsc.nsf.net)
! Those familiar with unix may know that there is often a
! standard login entry called sync which will show detailed
! info, below is revealed the exact version of the operation
! system.
login: sync
SunOS Release 4.1.1 (NNSC) #2: Fri Oct 16 17:21:31 EDT 1992
-----
Telnet to the Knowbot white pages (Telnet 134.82.11.4 185).
Enter "nnsc.nsf.net" yields results:
> nnsc.nsf.net
Name: NSFNet
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc.
Address: 10 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA 02138,
Hostname: NNSC.NSF.NET,
Nicknames: NIC.NNSC.NSF.NET, Address: 128.89.1.178,
System: SUN-3/280 running UNI X,
[etc...]
[Rick: Many players noted that during the process of connecting
to this host you get a message that this is a Sun running
Unix. The information above is more specific, and thus
received more points.]
================================================================
Extra Credit. (1) Where can I find the exact time?
Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
Answer: the National Bureau of Standards Time Service gives
you the current time as read from the National Bureau of
Standards reference clock in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
Search strategy:
telnet nessie.cc.wwu.edu (username: LIBS)
4. Databases and Information Services
7. Weather/Time/Earthquakes
3. National Bureau of Standards Time Service
Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
HINT (reynolds): Look in comp.protocols.time.ntp. A good
site probably is the United States Naval Observatory.
(rpowers): From the doc file for a PD program call AtomClock:
AtomClock will dial the U.S. Naval Observatory in Washington
D.C., read the 1200 BAUD time signal their atomic clock puts
out and set the Amiga system clock accordingly.
The phone # is 1-202-653-0351. I don't know if there is
internet access to this.
(des): The above is not really an "Internet" answer to the
question, as it bypasses the Internet.
I could not find an Internet-site specifically for this, but
the site "louie.udel.edu" is the net-repository for ntp
(Network Time Protocol) software and is itself an ntp server
synchronized to the "exact time" of the atomic-clock:
louie.udel.edu (128.175.1.3)
Location: University of Delaware, Newark, DE
>>> Synchronization: NTP secondary (stratum 2), Vax-11/780/Unix
Service area: NSFNET, SURA region
Access policy: open access
Contact: Dave Mills (mills@udel.edu)
Thus that site certainly should have the correct time. Doing
an anonymous ftp to this site, yields the correct time in
the introductory message:
% ftp louie.udel.edu
Connected to louie.udel.edu.
220-Welcome to the University of Delaware EE/CIS ftp server!
220-
220-Anonymous users:
220-
220- Please do not upload any image files.
220-
220- Please avoid our busy times, 10:00 - 17:00 weekdays.
220- We are on the east coast of the United States.
220- Local time is Thu Jan 7 18:45:59 1993.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(jhawk):
[sun!jhawk] ~> telnet louie.udel.edu daytime
Trying 128.175.1.3 ...
Connected to louie.udel.edu.
Escape character is '^]'.
Thu Jan 7 19:27:41 1993
Connection closed by foreign host.
Rick's Answer
-------------
telnet a2i.rahul.net
login: guest
choose t
and you get a running readout..
>> Current time
Hit ^C to abort...
Thu Jan 21 13:23:40 1993
Thu Jan 21 13:23:41 1993
Thu Jan 21 13:23:42 1993
Thu Jan 21 13:23:43 1993
Thu Jan 21 13:23:44 1993
etc...
choose f for Interesting features and you will find the
following explanation:
The a2i system clock is indirectly traceable to NIST via the Network
Time Protocol. It is usually accurate to within 0.3 seconds. (Select
"t" from the menu to get a second-by-second count.)
Other Answers
-------------
The "exact" time is relative. You can find the time that any
computer on the Internet has by
telnet hostname daytime.
The host india.colorado.edu is supposedly connected to the
NBS reference clock in Colorado Springs. This should be as
"exact" as you need. For example,
telnet india.colorado.edu daytime
gives:
Trying 128.138.140.44 ...
Connected to india.colorado.edu.
Escape character is '^]'.
Sun Jan 10 11:25:22 1993
Connection closed by foreign host.
-----
Also found with the help of Veronica:
Name=Current Date and Time (Pacific)
Type=0
Port=70
Path=0/computing/ian-testing/give-date
Host=whistler.sfu.ca
or
if you are on a UNIX system use the Network Time Protokol
(NTP) with the appropriate software to have your system time
updated via the net.
-----
Use a time-serving host, e.g. tutimea.tuwien.ac.at, for reference.
[Rick: Another tricky extra credit. I knew the service at
tycho.usno.navy.mil was not working as advertised. The Network
Time Protocol keeps the system clocks up-to-date on most Unix
hosts on the Net. For many folks, the time on their own local
host is as accurate as they could want. I believe the service
mentioned above for the Amiga also has a parallel for Macs over
the network. If I find more info, I'll post it later.]
================================================================
Mystery Question
----------------
Howdy, I just saw your latest internet hunt questions, and I
am thinking that you are the right person to ask this question.
I have been trying to locate an online source of the billboard
top 100, or top forty for country,soul or r&b. I know that
billboard magazine is indexed in asap2 which is offered by
Dialog, and I have tried searching it, but no luck, any
suggestions thanks dan mahoney dmahone@hal.unm.edu
Answers
-------
Here is an update on the Billboard charts for the week
ending 12/12/92: Copyright Billboard Magazine (1992)
To see this file try "finger buckmr@aix.rpi.edu".
-----
ANSWER (nina): anonymous ftp to cs.uwp.edu
look in the directory pub/music/lists/billboard.
(ss): finger buckmr@aix.rpi.edu
-----
Mystery Question: According to "archie billboard", host
cs.uwp.edu is supposed to have a /pub/music/billboard
directory. Upon FTPing there, I discovered that they no
longer have it. What they do have in /pub/music/info are
the weekly Record & Radio industry top 20's.
-----
[Rick: This can also be found with a simple veronica search on
the term "billboard". It yields:
--> 1. (dir) Billboard Charts/
--> 9. jan23.1993/
--> 1. CHART: US Top10 (1/23)
]
--
Rick Gates (805) 893-7225
Dir. of Library Automation
Univ. of California Library
Santa Barbara, CA 93106 lb05gate@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
Real-Writer: Youichi Watanabe <youchan@yokohama.se.fujitsu.co.jp>
Real-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 12:07:33 +0900
Subject: [infotalk,00075] Re: is there japanese client?
Message-Id: <9303150307.AA26835@discovery.yokohama.se.fujitsu.co.jp>
富士通の渡辺です。
From: infotalk@square.ntt.jp (Infosystem Talk Mailing List) さん
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 93 22:07:21 +0900
Subject: "[infotalk,00070] is there japanese client?" ...
In article: "<9303120759.AA20267@nttosf.rd.nttdata.jp>" ...
sai> はじめまして、齋藤＠ＮＴＴデータ通信と申します。完璧初心者なので、
sai> あたたかいフォローお願いします。
はじめまして。
sai> さて、FAQかと思いますが、WAISのクライアント(とくにMacintosh, Windows)の
sai> 日本語化を私がやっている、あるいは誰かがやっている、という情報が
sai> ありましたら、どんなことでも結構ですので、教えていただけませんでしょうか？
Windowsに関してはソースを探しているのですが、どれがソースかわかりません。
ちなみに日本語化されているのは、慶応の大山さんがやったwais-8-b5のxwais,
xwaisqをX11R4の日本語Xawを使ってstatic linkしたのがあります。
Host bash.cc.keio.ac.jp
Location: /pub/inet
FILE -rw-r--r-- 1315539 Sep 24 16:36 xwais-japanese.tar.Z
＃waisクライアントのwindows版のソースありましたら、連絡してください。
Real-Writer: TAKADA Toshihiro (高田敏弘) <takada@seraph.NTT.JP>
Real-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 12:05:30 +0900
Subject: [infotalk,00074] Re: is there japanese client?
Message-Id: <9303150305.AA26737@seraph.ntt.jp>
たかだです。
In <infotalk:00070> "Takeshi Saitoh <sai@rd.nttdata.jp>"-san writes:
> はじめまして、齋藤＠ＮＴＴデータ通信と申します。完璧初心者なので、あたたか
はじめまして。よろしくお願いします。
> さて、FAQかと思いますが、WAISのクライアント(とくにMacintosh, Windows)の
> 日本語化を私がやっている、あるいは誰かがやっている、という情報が
> ありましたら、どんなことでも結構ですので、教えていただけませんでしょうか？
富士通の渡辺さんが(仕事として)手をつけつつあるという話が、以前に出ていま
した。このＭＬで、そこら辺の話(何をしたらよいか、どうしたらよいか)もどん
どん出来たら良いな、と思っています。
ついでに以前書いた各infosystemの日本語対応に関するメールの一部を付けます。
当初からのメンバーの方は繰り返しになりますが、お許し下さい。
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と... これだけでは何なので、日本語化についてすこし。
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Gopher: これは既に 8-bit clean ですよね(多分)。慶應のサーバーには日本語
のテキストが入ってるし。あと Gopher+ protocol(*) では、ある1つのデータを
色々な形式(例えば xbm, gif, jpeg とか)で提供して、クライアントの方でどの
形式を読むかを選択できるようになり、そこで言語情報(En_US, De_DE, Fr_FR,
Ja_JP など)による選択もできるようになりました。
WWW: よく分からん。簡単にパッチかけて EUC が通るようになってるから何とか
はなるんだろうけど。真面目にやるとしたら、HTML(*) のちゃんとしたマルチリ
ンガルな形式を決めないといけないんだろうけど。でも、どうせ SGML(*) の方
でそういった規格化がやられているだろうから、これを単に持ってきちゃえばい
いような気がする。HTTP(*) や URL(*) の方は良く分からんです。
WAIS: これが一番問題っすね。ANSI Z39.50(*) とやらでは他国語のことは考え
てないのかなあ。そもそも世界最強(^_^)の検索手法である plain text の grep
だって、日本語の場合は今ひとつしっくりこないからなあ。
もちろん client program は当然日本語扱えるようにしなきゃいけないけど、何
か自分の好きな奴を一つだけやっちゃえば、あとは G, W3, W, etc. の何でも乗
り入れ可だから、まあ、それほど苦ではないと思う。
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# 以下、上に出てきた用語の解説です(既に知っている方には失礼)。xmosaic で
# リンク辿りながら検索して、それを cut&past すりゃこれができるんだもの。
# 便利だなあ...
(*) Gopher+ (proposed enhancements to the internet Gopher protocol):
Servers and clients understanding the Gopher+ extensions, transmit extra
information at the ends of list and request lines. Old, basic gopher
clients ignore such information. New Gopher+ aware servers continue to
work at their old level with unenhanced clients. The extra information
that can be communicated by Gopher+ clients may be used to summon new
capabilities to bridge the most keenly felt shortcomings of the
venerable old Gopher.
(*) HTML (HyperText Markup Language):
The WWW system uses marked up text to represent a hypertext document for
transmision over the network. The hypertext markup language is an SGML
format.
(*) SGML (Standard Generalized Markup Language):
ISO 8879:1986, Information Processing -- Text and Office Systems --
Standard Generalized Markup Language (SGML)
This is an ISO standardised derivative of an earlier IBM "GML". It
allows the structure of a document to be defined, and the logical
relationship of its parts. This structure can be checked for validity
against a " Document Type Definition ", or DTD. The SGML standard
defines the syntax for the document, and the syntax and semantics of the
DTD. See books -- Eric van Herwijnen's "Practical SGML" and Charles
Goldfarb's "SGML Handbook". Some of the points generally broght up in
(frequent) discussions of SGML follow.
(*) HTTP (Hypertext Transfer protocol):
This document defines the Hypertext Transfer protocol (HTTP) as
currently implemented by the WorldWideWeb initaitive software. This is
a subset of the sed full HTTP protocol. No client profile information
is transferred with the query. Future HTTP protocols will be
back-compatible with this protocol.
The definition of this protocol is in the public domain (see policy ).
The protocol uses the normal internet-style telnet protocol style on a
TCP-IP link. The following describes how a client acquires a
(hypertext) document from an HTTP server, given an HTTP document address.
(*) URL (Universal Resource Locator):
The format of a hypertext name consists of the name of the naming
sub-scheme to be used, then a name in a format particular to that
subscheme, then an optional anchor identifier within the document. For
example, the format is for all internet-based access methods:
"scheme : // host.domain:port / path / path # anchor"
(*) ANSI Z39.50:
Z39.50 is an American National Standard that was approved in 1988 by the
National Information Standards Organization (NISO), an American National
Standards Institute- (ANSI) accredited standards writing body that
serves the library, information, and publishing communities.
Z39.50 is an applications-layer protocol within the OSI reference model
developed by the International Standards Organization (ISO). Its
purpose is to allow one computer operating in a client mode to perform
information retrieval queries against another computer acting as an
information server.
The standard provides a uniform procedure for client computers to query
information resources such as server computers supporting online library
catalogs. For example, the development of a client program running on
one machine may provide end users with a common means of access to a
variety of information resources attached to a computer network.
...
Anyway, it is available from /public/wais/z3950/z3950-spec.txt@think.com
and on the wais-docs WAIS server.
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ＮＴＴ基礎研究所 情報科学研究部 高田敏弘
分散コンピューティング原理研究グループ takada@nttlab.ntt.JP
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Real-Writer: TAKADA Toshihiro (高田敏弘) <takada@seraph.NTT.JP>
Real-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 10:06:44 +0900
Subject: [infotalk,00073] new members
Message-Id: <9303150106.AA25807@seraph.ntt.jp>
こんにちは、高田です。
まつもと ゆきひろ＠日本タイムシェア(matz@nts.co.jp)さん
> infotalkメイリングリストに参加させて下さい. 単に興味があるだ
> けの参加なのでROPになってしまうかも知れませんが.
北陸先端大の修士1年に在学中の森田(hiro@jaist-east.ac.jp)さん
> ちょうど私も興味を持っている分野でもあり、是非参加させてほしいと思います。
> 現在、情報フィルタリングや情報検索などのシステムに関心を持っており、でき
> れば修士研究としてその方面の研究を行ないたいと思っています。
のお二人が新たに参加されました。
よろしくお願い致します。
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ＮＴＴ基礎研究所 情報科学研究部 高田敏弘
分散コンピューティング原理研究グループ takada@nttlab.ntt.JP
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Real-Writer: morita <morita@isct.kyutech.ac.jp>
Real-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 10:04:36 +0900
Subject: [infotalk,00072] Re: hunt
Message-Id: <9303150104.AA18247@sarakura.isct.kyutech.ac.jp>
九州工業大学の守田です。
||Subject: [infotalk,00071] Re: hunt
||X-Reply-To: ryoichi@nuesun.NTT.JP
morita
||> ところで、ニュースのalt.internet.servicesに毎月投稿されている
||> INTERNET HUNT という記事をご存知でしょうか？
||すみません、見たことがありません。是非、ここに一度、投稿していただけない
||でしょうか? よろしくお願いします。なお、ML関係は週末とか、時間のある時に
じつは、最初にお詫びが。投稿するのにどの記事がいいかな？
とふと記事を読みなおしてみると・・・一番先頭に過去の記事は
どこそこにあるよ！と書いてあります。昔の記事を誰か持って
おられませんか？という質問は穴があったら入りたい。恥ずかしい・・・
では記事を。じつは手元に質問と答がそろっているのは１月だけなので
１月分を。このメールは質問、次のメールで答を送ります。
九州工業大学 工学部
もうすぐ、電気工学研究科 M1 守田 智己
E-mail morita@isct.kyutech.ac.jp
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From: lb05gate@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Rick Gates)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: January Internet Hunt
Date: 4 Jan 93 05:44:53 GMT
*****************************************************************
* *
* THE INTERNET HUNT *
* *
* for January, 1993 *
* *
* (deadline: Midnight PST 1/10/93 *
* *
*****************************************************************
Welcome to the first Hunt of the New Year. This Hunt is running a
little late due to a small but tenacious virus (carbon-based variety),
that has me pooped.
This Hunt has a maximum of 43 points (with the extra credit).
I'm pleased to announce that past Hunts are now being archived at the
Coalition for Networked Information. Thanks to Craig Summerhill and
Paul Evan Peters.
The files are available via anonymous ftp at:
ftp.cni.org
...in
pub/net-guides/i-hunt/
...and the readme file should explain exactly what's there.
I'll also archive files for introductory text, tips, rules, history,
and a list of winners.
I also hope that sometime very soon I'll be able to post these files
to a gopher server somewhere, for distribution purposes.
Enjoy, you intrepid hunters. I'm going back to bed.
THE RULES
---------
1. There are a total of 12 questions. The first 11 questions all
count toward your score. I have personally verified that each of
these can be answered using only the resources of the Net. These are
contrived questions.
2. The last question is the mystery question. I don't know if there's
an answer to this on the Net. I may or may not have tried to find
one. These questions usually come to me from people asking for
information. This is a real question.
3. Each of these first 10 questions carries a value in parentheses.
This point value is my best guess on how tough that question is to
answer. The scale is 1 (easy), to 10 (hard). Total points for all
questions is listed at the top of this message. Extra credit
questions are always worth 1, not because they're easy, but because
they're extra credit.
4. Answer as many questions as you can. Partial credit is awarded.
5. Teams are allowed to submit entries. These must be designated as
such. Pick a team name. Team entries will be scored separately from
individual entries.
6. All answers must be mailed to me. My standard signature will
be at the bottom of this message.
7. The contest will run for one week from the date of posting of this
message. The deadline should appear in the header at the top of this
message.
8. Have fun! What's it all for, after all?
SCORING
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1. Whoever answers all the questions first shall be declared the
winner.
2. In the event that nobody answers all the questions, the player
with the highest point total shall be declared the winner.
3. If there is a tie for highest point total, the player who
responded first shall be declared the winner.
4. Assume you're answering the question for someone who understands
the basic network tools (ftp, telnet, finger, gopher, etc.), but just
doesn't know where the data is. Answers like:
ftp host.university.edu
...will not score as high as:
anonymous ftp to host.university.edu
cd /pub/documents
file is called important.txt.Z
Don't feel like you have to tell someone how to use ftp. Instead,
tell them where they can find what they're looking for, and what tool
to use to find it.
5. If any player would like an individually scored entry, please feel
free to send me a message. I will send them out after the Hunt has
closed.
THE HUNT
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1. (7) How does one say "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year" in
Czech?
2. (6) Is the Toyota Motor Corporation connected to the Internet?
3. (3) Hi! I have a new account on a unix machine here, and I
HATE the editor I have for my mail. It's called vi. So I
found another editor that I can use called emacs. Emacs is
supposed to be customizable, but I've managed to screw things
up a little. Can you tell me where I can get some advice from
more experienced emacs users?
4. (5) Can you get AIDS from kissing?
5. (3) I read in an electronic journal somewhere that a conference
was held in Padova, Italy on models of musical signals. I
wrote down the name of a contact, 'Giovanni De Poli'. Can you
find his email address for me?
6. (2) What is the primary religion in Somalia?
7. (4) I understand that the Net is being put to use
distributing information and pictures of missing children.
Where can I find out more, and where can I find the pictures?
8. (4) Where can I find tables listing the nutritive values of
different foods?
9. (3) What is the text of the 1st Amendment to the
Constitution of the United States?
10. (5) You know, I've gotten a lot of good network information by
FTPing files from nnsc.nsf.net. What kind of computer and operating
system is nnsc.nsf.net?
Extra Credit. (1) Where can I find the exact time?
Mystery Question
----------------
Howdy,
I just saw your latest internet hunt questions, and I am thinking
that you are the right person to ask this question. I have been
trying to locate an online source of the billboard top 100, or top
forty for country,soul or r&b. I know that billboard magazine is
indexed in asap2 which is offered by Dialog, and I have tried
searching it, but no luck, any suggestions
thanks
dan mahoney
dmahone@hal.unm.edu
Enjoy!
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Rick Gates (805) 893-7225
Dir. of Library Automation
Univ. of California Library
Santa Barbara, CA 93106 lb05gate@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu